(Friends, neighbors, and anyone else who has just stumbled upon The Daily Detour--This post is considerably longer than most others I put up. My attempt here is to clarify some of the points that Chris (a.k.a. Liberace) had issue with over at Flickerbulb. I would encourage you to read my original post, as well as, his rebuttal in order to have the proper context for this open letter. Hopefully, this exchange will stimulate your thinking and dialogue. So, grab a cup of coffee, your favorite snack, and get comfy. It's gonna take a few minutes to get through it...)
Chris (Liberace),
Normally, I don't take the necessary time to respond directly to lengthy comments post on this blog for a couple of reasons. First of all, it take more time than I usually have, and secondly, my intent is not to get into a sparring match with anyone who chooses to visit this site. Such intellectual pugilism tends to divide rather than unite, and is often counterproductive to the purpose of this blog--namely, the pursuit of Truth. However, this is at least the second lengthy comment you've posted here (and on your blog) that infers conclusions about statements, phrases, and ideas of mine that are less than accurate. Therefore, I decided to provide some grounding for my post, lest the reader be lead astray by my "gross simplifications" and "mad stabs at what unbelief is really like", as you put it. J I want those who visit to be clear about what I really believe.
I hope you don't mind this open letter, but there are just a few points of clarification I want to make in order to provide the proper context with which the observations in my original post were written.
First of all, regarding my observations about the responses of atheists/agnostics to the Barna survey, it is important to consider the question I posed at the end of that paragraph as it was written in my original post: "Shouldn't the percentage of atheists who believe in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ be 0%?" My point there, was, I think, the same as yours. That while we don't know the actual number of atheists, as differentiated from the agnostics in that combined group, if even 1 atheist out of the 15% designated there believed in the virgin birth, something's amiss. Anyone who holds a basic presupposition against the idea of the supernatural cannot, in the next breath (or survey response), give assent to a supernatural event. But, to your point, the ability to willingly suspend one's disbelief in conflicting ideas covers all demographics.
Secondly, it is apparent to me that my statement "Christianity's founder, Jesus" conveyed a meaning that was not intended. Obviously, in light of your taking issue with that phrase, I should have used different wording so as to keep the focus on the point I was making. Certainly, Jesus did not "found" Christianity in the same sense that Muhammad founded Islam, Joseph Smith founded Mormonism, Siddhartha Gautama founded Buddhism, etc... My intent with that phrasing was merely to convey the idea that without Jesus Christ, there would essentially be no Christianity. And His death for us, His creation, epitomized the very sacrificial essence of Christianity as it is supposed to be lived out. That is why the Bible emphasizes such directives as "Love your neighbor as yourself' (Matthew 22:39), "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:13), and "This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers" (1 John 3:16). In fact, the tension between our selfish nature and the selfless example of Christ is summarized in Philippians 2:3-7:
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant....
It is in this sense that I intended my point. Again, perhaps different phrasing would have better clarified it. By suggesting that sacrificial love for others is an "inherently Christian idea", I am not meaning to say that the idea or example of sacrificial love for others did not exist prior to Christianity's beginnings To imply otherwise demonstrates a short-sighted, revisionist view of history that is both naive and irresponsible. I was simply suggesting that the basis of Christianity, in its inherent nature, is built on the fundamental principle of self-sacrifice for others.
Do all Christians embody this altruistic example? Not nearly as often as we should. And that dismal reality has severely damaged Christianity's credibility in the eyes of many skeptics. They are rightfully asking, "If Christianity is supposed to be so good, then why doesn't it seem to make any difference in the lives of those who embrace it?" Such skeptics have often been treated by many professing Christians in ways that are directly contradictory to the true essence of Christianity and the very person of Jesus Christ. "We don't mind Christ," they say. "It's the Christians we can't stand." And I certainly don't blame anyone who may resonate with that feeling. To treat anybody in a manner unbefitting the example set by Jesus is just plain wrong. And it is in the misapplication of Christianity by many so-called Christians that the true nature of Christianity as a belief system is obscured.
My point was simply that Christianity as a belief system found its beginning in the very nature of Jesus Christ, who willingly wen to the cross for us. My hope would be that we not let the discussion about who "officially" founded the Christian faith distract away from the point I was attempting to make there.
And finally, you were fairly straightforward in your presumptive assessment of my "simplistic understanding of evolution in general, and in survival of the fittest specifically." So, perhaps it's necessary to revisit the point I was making about altruism?
Given that the concept of altruism does exist, then we must ask, "Where did it come from?" You suggested that we human beings developed it in order to perpetuate our species. Given an evolutionary presupposition, that explanation makes sense. Since there is no supernatural reality, then there would have to be a natural cause to explain it.
As you know, the concept of natural selection (which you accuse me of oversimplifying by using the more common phrase, "survival of the fittest") is based on the idea of heritability--namely, the process by which characteristics favorable to our survival increase with succeeding generations, while those unfavorable to our survival decrease over time to the point of extinction.
If this is true, that we are all here as a result of the unguided process of natural selection, then why does altruistic behavior seem to be the exception and not the rule for our interactions with eachother? What I mean is this: If altruism, and not selfishness, is the desired behavior (and presumably the kind of behavior we should emulate), then why does such behavior continue to surprise us? This seems to illuminate its infrequency in our lives. For example, why is our tendency, when we receive something for free, to immediately wonder, "What's the catch?" Or, why do we, when considering a plea for our help, even subconsciously ask ourselves, "What's in it for me?" Whether we want to admit it or not, this "quid pro quo" approach to life shapes the reality of human relationships.
If natural selection has been happening for billions of years (as evolution would suggest), then why isn't altruism (a heritable trait to which we should all aspire) on the increase? Perhaps it's because the idea of selfishness is actually the better means to our survival? The process of natural selection as we see it being lived out in our world seems to lend itself to this explanation. And yet, even evolutionists uphold altruism as a noble idea, one that would presumably make our world a better place.
Therein lies the tension. Certainly, those who hold an evolutionary worldview have their own explanations for altruism, to which you generically alluded to in your comments. But, I must say, your explanations did not satisfy the genuine question I asked in my original post about how a worldview built on the idea of self-preservation through natural selection can simultaneously embrace self-sacrifice (even, at times, to the point of self-extinction)? Again, your focus on my statement "above all else" seemed to divert attention away from the question I was posing.
You suggested that I somehow think that "Beleiving [sic] in evolution is like some magickal [sic] potion...that suddenly makes one selfish to the point of completely disregarding of life and other people's right to it." Pointing out that, "This view is clearly not squaring with reality...." I'm not sure where I have suggested taht evolution means that everyone ultimately makes us selfish to the point of "completely disregarding of life and other people's right to it." If you have read the "Reflections on Morality" series I posted back in July you know that I elaborated on the Christian explanation for how non-Christian people can behave in ways that are compatible with Christianity, while Christians, too, can behave in ways that are inconsistent with their beliefs--namely, the tension between the fallen nature of man (Genesis 3) and the idea that God's laws are written on our hearts (Romans 2:15).
For the record, I can't say for sure whether evolution would make everyone selfish to the point of complete disregard of life. Evolution as a theory does not exist in a isolated laboratory apart from the world it seeks to explain. The reality is that evolution isn't the only explanation for the world in which we live. As such, it has to stand on its own merits (within the bounds of science, logic, history, and experience), just as Christianity does.
Ironically, it was the altruistic act of Jesus' death for us that has had the greatest impact on the world. How do those who believe in evolution explain such a phenonenon, especially apart from the Christian context in which that event happened?
My point is this: In past conversations with you I have heard you conjecture about how altruism can exist within an evolutionary framework--that somehow when we sacrifice for others we are ultimately behaving in a way that promotes the survival of our species in almost a kind of Karmic way. And yet, that explanation does not settle with me. To demonstrate altruism toward our neighbor is to serve them in some way without expecting anything in return. And yet, if we engage in altruistic behavior as a means of pertuating the survival of our species, does that not not cease to be altruism in its true sense?
But, again I go back to what, for me, is one of the most fundamental quandaries concerning this issue, "If altruism is 'one of the main attributes that humans display that has helped us survive and adapt, and yes, evolve, to be the species we are today' then why isn't altruism a dominate heritable characteristic in our human development?" (Is it because we haven't evolved enough yet? And if not, why not?)
Furthermore, if evolutionary theory provides the best explanation for its existence, then where is the tangible evidence to support such a claim? Basic observation of human relationships reveals that altruism is not a dominant heritable characteristic. We are inherently selfish people. (For example, one might argue that if we practiced more self-sacrifice for our spouses, the divorce rate might not be as high as it is today. Likewise, I don't have to teach my children how to be selfish. They are inherent bent in that direction, and my job as the parent is to discipline them in a direction that seeks to put the needs of others ahead of their own.) Within the parameters of natural selection, altruism appears to be more of a receding heritable characteristic that will (and if we embrace natural selection consistently one could argue, should) die out.
I actually think evolution makes a plausible case for explaining why we human beings ultimately tend to "look out for #1". I just wonder where the reality of altruism fits into that theory? It seems that the presuppositions inherent to evolutionary theory make the embracing of pure altruism difficult. You implied that I am "unwilling to face the plain facts." You're making an unfair assumption that is simply not true. I would be very interested in considering those plain facts to which you refer. I believe it is the consideration of the evidence that will help us make the best decisions possible on matters of such critical importance.
Well, this mini-tome has grown larger than I intended. If you're still reading it at this point, thanks for hanging in there and considering this elaboration of my original post. I hope these comments helped to clarify the points that this blog medium does not always allow for. Thank you also, Chris, for your regular visits to the blog. It always makes for interesting reading and thought-provoking consideration. And that's exactly what The Daily Detour was created for. J 